As a consequence of the place ascribed to measurements in the postulates of quantum mechanics, if two differently prepared systems are described with the same density operator {̊h̊o̊}̊, they are said to be in the same quantum state. For more than fifty years, there has been a lack of consensus about this postulate. In a 2011 paper, considering variances of spin components, Fratini and Hayrapetyan tried to show that this postulate is unjustified. The aim of the present paper is to discuss major points in this 2011 article, and in their reply to a 2012 paper by Bodor and Diosi claiming that their analysis was irrelevant. Facing some ambiguities or inconsistencies in the 2011 paper and in the reply, we first try to guess their aim, then establish results useful in this context, and finally discuss the use or misuse of several concepts implied in this debate.